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God exists? God doesn't? God is a different concept? Convince me!

by punkofnice in

i am in a spiritual void at the moment after a year out of the borg and 50 years in.. i'd like to hear 'brief' evidence for the existance or non existance of god/s without an argument between members here.. i'd like to get fresh view points as mine is now so critical it's telling me to be an agnostic or atheist.

why?

i am in want of evidence, not just words from a copy/paste troll & no links.. i just want to open up to new possibilities but with evidence to support it not just 'faith'..

THE GLADIATOR

punkofnice I do get your point, I just delight in being pernickety.

I'd like to hear 'brief' evidence for the existance or non existance of God/s without an argument between members here.

My sensible answer to this is that I don’t believe that there is any real evidence for the existence or non-existence of a god.

Then we have to define what is mean by a god. Everyone has a different concept of what they are looking for in their god. My view is that no one can know the answer for certain. It comes down to whether we choose to have faith or not.

That decision will be influenced by personal emotions the most powerful factor being our need. Also personality, education, experience of life, our peer group and our social circle.

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"The Bible is Not a Book. It's a Library."

by leavingwt in

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i would like to call your attention to this recent article by karl giberson, ph.d., scholar of science & religion, and the former president of the biologos foundation.

his conclusion is that we need not dismiss all of the bible, just because some of it is not accurate.

.. but how do we decide which parts of the bible should be read literally?

THE GLADIATOR

That’s a mighty small library. Even my modest library boasts a dozen shelves filled with books and I have a world of up to date books available via google. Some of the so called books in the bible are just 2 & 3 pages long.

If the god of the bible could type as impressively as some of our posters here we really would have a library to study.

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Absolutely!

by IMHO in

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why is everyone using the word "absolutely" these days, in answer to every other question..

THE GLADIATOR

"wobble "Yea?" and you were supposed to affirm that you understood..."

This is also a tactic used by sales people, nodding as they speak, to get confirmation and make sure you are going along with them. I just say, 'I see what this is leading to.' and shake my head as I speak. It knocks them off their perch.

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God exists? God doesn't? God is a different concept? Convince me!

by punkofnice in

i am in a spiritual void at the moment after a year out of the borg and 50 years in.. i'd like to hear 'brief' evidence for the existance or non existance of god/s without an argument between members here.. i'd like to get fresh view points as mine is now so critical it's telling me to be an agnostic or atheist.

why?

i am in want of evidence, not just words from a copy/paste troll & no links.. i just want to open up to new possibilities but with evidence to support it not just 'faith'..

THE GLADIATOR

punkofnice

I'd like to hear 'brief' evidence for the existance or non existance of God/s without an argument between members here.

That’s quiet a restriction to place on a serious discussion between people with differing opinions.

An argument is a discussion or debate in which a number of people put forward different or opposing opinions. The process of presenting our argument is called an argument. We could all say nice things to each other and diplomatically nod and avoid presenting an argument or challenging the arguments that are presented.

A bit like getting through a dinner party with out falling out with vocal guests who like to speak their minds. That would be very cosy but won't help you to achieve your objective.

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A Leaf of Absence

by SweetBabyCheezits in

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your address.

your city, state, zip code.

your phone number.

THE GLADIATOR

SweetBabyCheezits Don't stay away too long or by the time you get back I may have given in to the voice in my head telling me that Caesar is not my master.

All the best with the move and may your gods go with you and help with the heavy lifting.

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Absolutely!

by IMHO in

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why is everyone using the word "absolutely" these days, in answer to every other question..

THE GLADIATOR

Indubitably!

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Science TV Show - AGuest and bohm please jump in

by EntirelyPossible in

i started this thread to get a fresh start.

i know, there is another thread, but it was all over the place.

to that end, i would am going to paste a quote of shelby's from the other thread and try to stick to hashing that out.

THE GLADIATOR

Science seeks to discover how the universe works including our world. It does this by applying scientific method and accepts that there is no end to discovery.

Most religions do not seek to come to conclusions but have already arrived at a forgone conclusion based on an ancient holy book accepted by their sect or personal revelation. Belief does not require work of any kind.

Scientists are required to put in years of hard work and be prepared to accept that they may never arrive at an absolute position. They are not promised life after death and do not worship as a requirement.

To me science and religion are two entirely different mindsets. The only thing they have in common is that they both require people to be involved and that's where the confusion lies.

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Curiosity/ Create the universe Stephen Hawking

by jam in

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if you have not seen it, it,s on the discovery station.

tonite, 8:00 pm west coast, two parts..

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bohm Having just read through this thread in it’s entirety , I feel compelled to comment on your performance. From your reluctance to get involved at the beginning, it seems that had you not been called upon to defend yourself, we would not have benefited from your years of study and learning. For that I am grateful to AGuest.

I have been impressed by your restraint, politeness and patience throughout this debate. Your detailed explanations of virtual particles & quantum mechanics has been most enlightening and educational.

I have avoided commenting before for two reasons. Firstly I didn't want to get involved in the fireworks. Secondly I have learnt that it’s better to remain silent than demonstrate on a public forum that that I know absolutely nothing about a subject being debated.

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